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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2003 11:31 am  
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Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name

Daniel Dennett claims that atheism is getting a bad press. The world is filled with religious believers, he acknowledges, but a growing number of atheists lack the respect they deserve. It's time for a new public relations strategy for the godless, Dennett argues, and he has just the plan.

The central point of Dennett's strategy is to get rid of the word "atheist." It's too, well, negative. After all, it identifies an individual by what he or she does not believe--in this case the individual does not believe in God. A more positive approach would be helpful to advance the atheist anti-supernatural agenda.

Dennett, joined by Richard Dawkins, thinks he has found the perfect plan. Two atheists in California have suggested that the anti-supernatural crowd should take a page from the homosexual rights movement's handbook. Homosexuals renamed themselves "gays" and changed the terms of the debate, they argue.

As Richard Dawkins explains, "A triumph of consciousness-raising has been the homosexual hijacking of the word 'gay'.... Gay is succinct, uplifting, positive: an 'up' word, where homosexual is a down word and queer [and] faggot . . . are insults. Those of us who subscribe to no religion; those of us who rejoice in the real and scorn the false comfort of the unreal, we need a word of our own, a word like 'gay'."

The word chosen to be the atheists' version of 'gay' is bright. That's right, they want unbelievers to call themselves brights. Give them an "A" for arrogance.

Of course, Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins are already specialists in the highest form of intellectual snobbery. Dennett, a professor of philosophy at Tufts University, and Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University, are well known for their condescending dismissal of all belief in the supernatural. Both address their scorn to anyone who believes in God or dares to question naturalistic evolution.

Their plan, if successful, would put believers in God in the unenviable position of being opposed to "brights" who deny belief in God. This is, no pun avoidable, a diabolically brilliant public relations strategy. The real question is: Will it work?

In "The Bright Stuff," an op-ed column published in The New York Times, Dennett simply declared, "It's time for us brights to come out of the closet." Now, that's an invitation sure to get attention.

He continued, "What is a bright? A bright is a person with a naturalist as opposed to a supernaturalist world view. We brights don't believe in ghosts or elves or the Easter Bunny--or God. We disagree about many things, and hold a variety of views about morality, politics and the meaning of life, but we share a disbelief in black magic--and life after death."

Brights are all around us, Dennett claims. Brights are "doctors, nurses, police officers, schoolteachers, crossing guards and men and women serving in the military. We are your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters. Our colleges and universities teem with brights. Among scientists, we are a commanding majority." Had enough?

Dennett wants to be the Moses of the atheist cause, leading his people out of bondage to theists and into the promised land of atheistic cultural influence--a land flowing with skepticism and unbelief.

The most absurd argument offered by Dennett is that brights "just want to be treated with the same respect accorded to Baptists and Hindus and Catholics, no more and no less." Those familiar with the work of Dennett and Dawkins will be waiting for the laughter after that claim. The same respect? These two militant secularists show no respect for religious belief.

Philosopher Michael Rea of the University of Notre Dame couldn't let Dennett and Dawkins get away with such hogwash. 'The fact is," he asserts, "the likes of Dennett and Dawkins aren't the least bit interested in mutual respect." Dennett has suggested that serious religious believers should be isolated from society in a "cultural zoo." Dawkins has argued that persons who reject naturalistic evolution are "ignorant, stupid or insane." Well, now--is that their vision of "mutual respect?"

As for the anti-supernaturalists calling themselves "brights," Rea argues, "The genuinely tolerant atheist will refuse the label; for the the very respect and humility that characterize her tolerance will also help her to see that in fact their are bright people on both sides of the theist/atheist divide." [See Rea's exchange with Dennett]

Timothy K. Beal, professor of religion at Case Western Reserve University, notes that the brights demonstrate "an evangelical tone" in their writings. Beal perceptively notes that, in their determination to be irreligious, these atheists have just established a new anti-religious religion. But what they really want is not only respect, but cultural influence.

Dennett's New York Times column decried "the role of religious organizations in daily life," contrasted with no such public role for secularists. Of course, this claim is sheer nonsense. Dennett and Dawkins boast that most scientists and intellectuals are atheists. They are without influence?

G. K. Chesterton once identified atheism as "the most daring of all dogmas," since it is the "assertion of a universal negative." As he explained; "for a man to say that there is no God in the universe is like saying that there are no insects in any of the stars."

The Psalmist agreed, and spoke in even more dramatic terms: "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'." [Psalm 14:1] The atheists are caught in a difficult position. They reject belief in God, but draw attention to God even as they shout their unbelief. In the end, they look more foolish than dangerous.

This call for a new public relations strategy will likely backfire. Hijacking the term bright shows insecurity more than anything else. A movement of secure egos would not resort to calling itself "brights."

Atheism may try to change its name, but it cannot succeed in changing its nature. This bright idea doesn't look so bright after all.




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2003 11:34 am  
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for an excellent example see the next post!

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2003 11:38 am  
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Monday, September 29, 2003

'10 Commandments revolution' launched

Man wants to see ACLU 'go crazy' as signs crop up nationwide

Posted: September 29, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

 2003 WorldNetDaily.com 

Motivated by what he views as an assault on free speech by the ACLU, a Georgia man has launched a campaign to distribute thousands of Ten Commandments signs across the nation. 

Robert Frey, a 33-year-old "average guy who's fed up and wants to do something," has set a goal of selling 100,000 signs, suitable for front yards, through a website, TheRevolutionWillBeLive.com. 

http://www.therevolutionwillbelive.com/

"By joining together in this spiritual battle we can give the ACLU a nightmare of fits when it realizes that the more it and its ilk try to destroy America, the stronger we will be, the louder we will become," Frey says on his website. 

He says for each 24" x 24" sign sold, $2 will be donated to the American Center for Law and Justice, a Virginia-based group defending Ten Commandments displays in many legal cases around the country. 

The project is run under Frey's Enterprise Network Solutions, which he maintains as a for-profit firm to "retain its ability to speak freely on political issues such as the Ten Commandments." 

As WorldNetDaily reported, a St. George, Utah, man's effort to post signs bearing the Ten Commandments around town has already resulted in hundreds of copies of the biblical laws springing up on private property. 

Robert Anderson got the idea to distribute copies of the Decalogue after attending a rally in St. George to show support for the Ten Commandments and Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's fight to keep a display of the laws in the rotunda of the state's judicial building. 

I just thought if it's not me, then who? If it's not now, then when?" Anderson told the Salt Lake City Deseret News. 

Three years ago, the Family Research Council distributed hundreds of thousands of Ten Commandments book covers to school children as part of its nationwide "Hang Ten" campaign, which advocates display of the Decalogue, often on government property and classrooms 

American Atheists of Texas responded in Dallas with an attempt to distribute its own book jacket, featuring quotes about atheism from American Atheists founder Madalyn Murray O'Hair and historical figures such as Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin and Ethan Allen. 

A Chicago media company, the Total Living Network, has been distributing free Ten Commandments book covers to students across the country through a program called "Operation 10." 

Meanwhile, a Ten Commandments display was removed from a Montana courthouse lawn Wednesday, effectively ending a 4-year-old lawsuit by the ACLU. 

As WorldNetDaily reported, in Wisconsin Wednesday, a federal judge set aside an earlier order declaring a Ten Commandments monument in La Crosse to be unconstitutional and has granted a motion clearing the way for the ACLJ to represent the owner of the monument, the Fraternal Order of Eagles. 

A new trial has been set for Feb. 17, 2004. 

Last month, Alabama's Chief Justice Moore was suspended for violating a federal judge's order by refusing to remove his Ten Commandments monument. The 5,300-pound display was moved to a storage room. Moore faces a misconduct charge and could be removed from office. 

Frey said, "Now, instead of worrying about a single granite display of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of an Alabama courthouse, we can watch as the ACLU and its deceived followers go absolutely crazy over the thousands, if not millions, of Ten Commandments displays cropping up all over the American landscape."



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  From:  JAGULARS   9/30/2003 1:01 am  
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<<<<Two atheists in California have suggested that the anti-supernatural crowd should take a page from the homosexual rights movement's handbook. Homosexuals renamed themselves "gays" and changed the terms of the debate, they argue.>>>> 
Evil follows evil so it stands to reason that the athiest would take an example from the homosexuals since the majority of homosexuals are athiests. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/30/2003 5:16 am  
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Hi,

 

Excellent point!

 

Im wondering why I didnt think of it in that way.

 

Thank you for sharing.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  clrose1   9/30/2003 5:53 am  
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I don't believe that the majority of homosexuals are also atheist. All of the homosexuals that I know believe in God. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/30/2003 6:39 am  
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Hi,

 

Please do not respond to the previous poster.

 

He is from the Mormon (LDS) Debate forum and is just here to try to disrupt our forum.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  JAGULARS   9/30/2003 12:34 pm  
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  708.8 in reply to 708.6  
 
As the scriptures relate, many have God on thier lips but not in thier heart. 

They even have thier own church group, even mainstream christianity split to allow the homosexuals, if that's your point. 
 
  
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  From:  Muleheaded Wanderer (Wanderer9567)    10/2/2003 1:57 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 45)  
 
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"By joining together in this spiritual battle we can give the ACLU a nightmare of fits when it realizes that the more it and its ilk try to destroy America, the stronger we will be, the louder we will become," Frey says on his website. 

He says for each 24" x 24" sign sold, $2 will be donated to the American Center for Law and Justice, a Virginia-based group defending Ten Commandments displays in many legal cases around the country. 

The project is run under Frey's Enterprise Network Solutions, which he maintains as a for-profit firm to "retain its ability to speak freely on political issues such as the Ten Commandments." 

Sounds like he's just trying to bilk the faithful out of their money like their religions do to me.

As WorldNetDaily reported, a St. George, Utah, man's effort to post signs bearing the Ten Commandments around town has already resulted in hundreds of copies of the biblical laws springing up on private property. 

Frey said, "Now, instead of worrying about a single granite display of the Ten Commandments in the rotunda of an Alabama courthouse, we can watch as the ACLU and its deceived followers go absolutely crazy over the thousands, if not millions, of Ten Commandments displays cropping up all over the American landscape."

Hang anything you like on your own property, just don't do it on public property with the agenda of trying to force your beliefs on the rest of us.

 

 

No man's life, liberty or property are safe, while the legislature is in session. -1860s circuit court judge

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/2/2003 3:27 pm  
To:  Muleheaded Wanderer (Wanderer9567)   unread  (10 of 45)  
 
  708.10 in reply to 708.9  
 
Hi,

 

I too think this guy is out to make a few $$s along the way but I still support his concept.

 

Your post stops making sense when you basically declare that only non-Christians have a right to Public expression.

 

For instance when Condoms are passed out at school it is a Religion that is being advocated it happens to be the Satanic religion and yet that doesnt get opposed, why?

 

There is Always a Philosophy or Religion behind every decision, statement, and act of conduct! The difference is America is being brainwashed into believing that only the Christian values are unworthy to be expressed pubically.

 

When America finally does away with the hated Christian and Jewish values that have served this Country so well as God has Blessed His ways Im positive that the secular humanistic or Muslim laws and ways that replace the Christian ways will Not be an improvement.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/13/2003 7:52 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 45)  
 
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>>>Atheists considered Unpopular & Stupid<<< 
I saw that phrase nowhere in the article you cited. Is it your own opinion?
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/14/2003 3:49 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (12 of 45)  
 
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Well, there is that notable scripture that clearly 
declares, "...THE FOOL has said in his/her heart: THERE IS 
NO God!" 
and 

do you think the atheist-crowd that loves to get nativity 
scenes and the ten commandments OUT OF PUBLIC VIEW AND 
CONSCIOUSNESS is a very popular group in America? really? 


. . .

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 



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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/14/2003 7:22 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (13 of 45)  
 
  708.13 in reply to 708.11  
 
Hi Aria,

 

Thanks for asking for clarification.

 

That was the title of it as I received it in an email. Actually the title was a little longer but I had to trim it down to fit in the Delphi title space.

 

Funny but for me the biggest pain about posting on Delphi is coming up with a folder and a title for the post and then if you want to promote the forum/article thats additional effort. Fortunately this article really promotes itself.

 

Yes, I do agree with it 100% and I think it is one of the best written articles that I have ever read. That guy is a Superb writer if I had 1/3 of his writing talent I would be very Blessed.

 

As Ben the previous poster pointed out the title does Exactly represent the content as the entire article points out the self confessed Unpopularity of the Atheist and of their own stupid dilemmas.

 

Popular  confident  self-assured people dont embark on public name changes so the entire article is a representation of the Atheist admitting that they are unpopular.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/14/2003 10:27 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 45)  
 
  708.14 in reply to 708.13  
 
Thanks, David. I think your manner is generally a little 
better than mine. (!) 
God bless. 

you're a good man and a fine Christian. 

best regards, 

Len 


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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." ~~~ A Summary of 1 Corinthians Chapter 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN "...FAITH that WORKETH by Love..." and GRACE that is made manifest BY FRUIT. - "faith without fruit is DEAD, being alone." 

 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/15/2003 1:19 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (15 of 45)  
 
  708.15 in reply to 708.12  
 
To be frank, I fell asleep half way through your sig, but I did have a refreshing nap. Thank you. :) 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/15/2003 1:23 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 45)  
 
  708.16 in reply to 708.13  
 
I have always been tolerant of other's religious beliefs. I thought Christ taught tolerance, too. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/15/2003 6:47 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (17 of 45)  
 
  708.17 in reply to 708.16  
 
Hi Aria,

 

God is asking and inviting humans to participate in a relationship with Himself.

 

Those that deny God, i.e. the Atheist, have at the very least created a situation that is counter and against God and then they encourage others to reject God.

 

All in all I would say they are not in a very good position.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/15/2003 9:29 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (18 of 45)  
 
  708.18 in reply to 708.17  
 
I am an atheist, but I don't deny God. It's just never been proven to me he/she exists. I feel quite comfortable with that, thank you. :) 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/15/2003 10:04 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (19 of 45)  
 
  708.19 in reply to 708.18  
 
Hi Aria,

 

Life its orchestration and all of its miracles are constant proof that God does exist. The Bible is proof. Most of the Bible is written as prophecy of future events and it is written with more knowledge than man has it is written with the knowledge of God.

 

I am surprised that you present Atheism as a Religion when really it is defiantly not a religion but only simply an opinion.

 

I doubt that any two Atheists have similar views on life and the way it should be conducted therefore Atheism is not a group and certainly with its one and only stance being negative it is not a positive or a confident group.

 

It is an odd opinion at that since what Atheists are denying is the source of life and therefore they deny life it self it is a very strange and self contradicting position that Atheists do not acknowledge life or that somehow they do acknowledge life but conclude that there is no source of life.

 

In the end Atheist are really only people who are in the midst of a fit against God and I never worry about people who are angry or are against God because tomorrow is another day and the Grace of God has led many, many Atheist into His love and fellowship. Much of the best Christian, writings, works, and songs have been completed by ex-Atheists.

 

Have you ever heard of the Song Amazing Grace it was written by an ex-Atheist.

 

God Bless You,
David



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   From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/15/2003 2:26 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 45)  
 
  708.20 in reply to 708.19  
 
I don't recall presenting Atheism as a Religion. As you say, it's more of an opinion, or lack of a religion to be more precise. I'll admit your thread title did cause a reaction in me. I've known popular and brilliant people in all religions, and among atheists. I've even known a few bright Christians. :) 
  
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From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/15/2003 11:10 pm  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (21 of 45)  
 
  708.21 in reply to 708.15  
 
oh. well I think you should read it a little more 
carefully this time . . . 
(and naps are strictly for the foolish when confronted 

with this much truth) . . . 

re: 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 



==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/16/2003 5:10 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (22 of 45)  
 
  708.22 in reply to 708.21  
 
>>(and naps are strictly for the foolish when confronted 
with this much truth) . . .<< 

~Yawn!~ :) 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/16/2003 8:21 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (23 of 45)  
 
  708.23 in reply to 708.21  
 
Hi Len,

 

I hope this topic doesnt degenerate into another example of Atheist conceit and disrespect for others but unfortunately it very likely could.

 

God Bless You,
David

 



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/16/2003 11:34 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 45)  
 
  708.24 in reply to 708.23  
 
yes. it is usually inevitable because of *the spirit* 
they serve. (which is, both consciously and UNconsciously) 
the spirit of ANTICHRIST.) 
if they have an HONEST desire to inquire and listen and learn: 
fine. but the usual response is: hate, mockery, and distain. 

* II Timothy 3:1-9 is very, very descriptive of our times. 

God bless. 

Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every 
hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE 
NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE 
DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so. 

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being 
and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE 
IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW. 
* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat 
from the 
chaff...and 
the wheat from the tares. 
He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, 
and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride 
for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your 
spirit and your 
CHOICES. 

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD 
spiritual condition by choices and responses 
to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and 
words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The 
Final Seperation. * 

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. 
{and for some this shall be unto honor and 
glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal 
shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 
~ CHOICES. 
----------------------------- 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) 
RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * 
* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


--> but the wise shall understand. 

WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * 
* Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** 
~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. 
* Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE! 

===================================== 

---> Isaiah 54:15-17 
*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8* 
---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* 


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All ** 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time 
for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends 
upon your honesty and humility before GOD) 

================================== 





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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/16/2003 11:44 pm  
To:  ALL   (25 of 45)  
 
  708.25 in reply to 708.23  
 
2 Timothy 3:1-14 :: Amplified Bible (AMP) 

2 Timothy 3: 
1 BUT UNDERSTAND this, that 

in the last days 
---------------- 

will come (set in) perilous times of great stress 
and trouble [hard to deal with and hard to bear]. 

2 For people will be lovers of self and [utterly] self-centered, 
lovers of money and aroused by an inordinate [greedy] desire 
for wealth, 

proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters. 

They will be ***abusive (blasphemous, scoffing),*** 

disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy and profane. 

3 [They will be] without natural [human] affection 

(callous and inhuman), relentless (admitting of no truce 
or appeasement); [they will be] 

slanderers (false accusers, troublemakers), 

intemperate and loose in morals and conduct, 
uncontrolled and fierce, 

haters of good. {DESPISERS of those who stand for righteousness} 

4 [They will be] treacherous [betrayers], rash, 

[and] inflated with self-conceit. 

[They will be] lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements 
more than and rather than lovers of God. 

5 For [although] they hold *a form of piety (true religion),* 
they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it 
[their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]. 

Avoid [all] such people [turn away from them]. 

6 For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses. 
7 [These weak women will listen to anybody who will teach them]; 

they are forever inquiring and getting information, 

but are never able to arrive at a recognition and knowledge 

of the Truth. 
8 Now just as [1] Jannes and Jambres were hostile to and resisted Moses, so these men also are hostile to and oppose the Truth. 

They have depraved and distorted minds, and are reprobate 

and counterfeit and to be rejected as far as the faith 

is concerned. 

9 But they will not get very far, 

for their rash folly will become obvious to everybody, 

as was that of those [magicians mentioned]. 

10 Now you have closely observed and diligently followed my teaching, conduct, purpose in life, faith, patience, love, steadfastness, 
11 Persecutions, sufferings--such as occurred to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra, persecutions I endured, but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 

12 Indeed all who delight in piety and are determined 

to live a devoted and godly life in Christ Jesus will meet 

with persecution [will be made to suffer because of their 

religious stand]. 

13 But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves. 
14 But as for you, continue to hold to the things that you have learned and of which you are convinced, 

knowing from whom you learned... 

- The Amplified Version, illuminating the meaning of the 
original Greek and Hebrew 

========================== 

Footnotes 

[1] 
Neither of these men is mentioned in the Old Testament, but according to Jewish tradition they were the Egyptian court magicians who opposed Moses. 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!




VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)




==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/16/2003 11:51 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (26 of 45)  
 
  708.26 in reply to 708.23  
 
>Hi Len, 
I hope this topic doesnt degenerate into another example of Atheist conceit and disrespect for others but unfortunately it very likely could.< 

Pardon me, Brother Brown. The topic of this thread is "Atheists considered Unpopular & Stupid." I haven't noticed any atheists in it treating anyone else with conceit and disrespect, have you? 

 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/16/2003 11:55 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (27 of 45)  
 
  708.27 in reply to 708.24  
 
>yes. it is usually inevitable because of *the spirit* 
they serve. (which is, both consciously and UNconsciously) 
the spirit of ANTICHRIST.)< 
Who are the "they" you refer to? I am an atheist, and I serve no *spirit.*
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/17/2003 1:34 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (28 of 45)  
 
  708.28 in reply to 708.27  
 
you (and virtually ALL atheists) are of "the spirit of 
this world," controlled [consciously and subconsciously) 
by the Prince of Darkness. [The Arch-Deceiver who has you 
in his grip, ... WHETHER YOU ACKNOWLEDGE him or not!] 
"the spirit of antichirst" is the mindset and attitude 
and CHOICES that (as the scripture says) DENIES that 
Messiah/Jesus "has come in the flesh" [as the Incarnation 
of God in order to bring redemption and salvation.] 

you are of the spirit of antichrist. your only hope is 
to seek God's mercy and grace in Jesus Christ. 

and I tell you this VERY earnestly: your ONLY Hope is 
Jesus Christ. 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ See: Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 



==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/17/2003 7:36 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (29 of 45)  
 
  708.29 in reply to 708.26  
 
Hi Arai,

 

It is just wrong that some people (Atheist) insist that they are so intelligent Bright that they know more than any other human or than the Prophets or even than God Himself.

 

How can Atheist expect to be taken seriously with their attitude of superiority over others and besides it is a Fact that throughout History practicing Atheist have recanted and become Christians so dont get upset at us because no one can take you seriously.

 

I do enjoy your presence on the forum and hope that you will stay and continue to give your input but you have to admit that you are a little to serious about this topic.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  SharonDee   10/17/2003 9:48 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (30 of 45)  
 
  708.30 in reply to 708.29  
 
*sigh* 
This is why I am atheist and NOT a Bright. Even though the movement's founders went to great pains to state they didn't intend the name to imply greater intelligence than religious folk... y'all STILL insist on treating them as if that were exactly what they're saying. 

And now if you'll excuse me I have to go find my Bright friends and tell them, "I told you so." 

--Sharon 
(An atheist who refuses to hide behind a euphemism)
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/17/2003 11:19 am  
To:  SharonDee   (31 of 45)  
 
  708.31 in reply to 708.30  
 
Hi SaronDee,

 

For Atheists its too bad that they didnt listen to you.

 

Im delighted that they made such a tactful error.

 

Can you imagine introducing yourself or your group to others as Bights people do not like to be put down by such implications from others.

 

It was a terrible decision by those Atheists, Im going to enjoy it as long as I can but I suspect that it wont last long as their only saving grace is that few know about the attempted name change and if they hurry they can act like it was all pretend and salvage some decency.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/17/2003 3:21 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (32 of 45)  
 
  708.32 in reply to 708.28  
 
>you (and virtually ALL atheists) are of "the spirit of 
this world," controlled [consciously and subconsciously) 
by the Prince of Darkness. [The Arch-Deceiver who has you 
in his grip, ... WHETHER YOU ACKNOWLEDGE him or not!] < 
You are judging me, LenBen? I am the antichrist? I hope your God is more merciful in judging you than you are in judging others. :( 

 
  
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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/17/2003 3:30 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 45)  
 
  708.33 in reply to 708.29  
 
>How can Atheist expect to be taken seriously with their attitude of superiority over others and besides it is a Fact that throughout History practicing Atheist have recanted and become Christians so dont get upset at us because no one can take you seriously.< 
Read back through here and see who has acted superior. 

>I do enjoy your presence on the forum and hope that you will stay and continue to give your input but you have to admit that you are a little to serious about this topic.< 

I get serious when I'm rudely called the antichrist. Thank you all for your "Christian charity."
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/17/2003 6:25 pm  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (34 of 45)  
 
  708.34 in reply to 708.33  
 
Hi Aria,

 

LenBen is concerned for your Everlasting well being.

 

Im sure that you dont understand it now but sometimes the best friends are the ones who point out the danger that we ourselves dont see.

 

I looked back over the last several posts and did not see you being called the Antichrist but let me know if I missed it.

 

To everyone lets keep this topic on a lighter level and have a light discussion on it. If it does get into anymore personal insults Ill close it for discussion.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/17/2003 9:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (35 of 45)  
 
  708.35 in reply to 708.34  
 
>I looked back over the last several posts and did not see you being called the Antichrist but let me know if I missed it.< 
Perhaps you missed this quote. I am also concerned for LenBen's Everlasting well being: 

>you are of the spirit of antichrist.< 
http://forums.prospero.com/BasicChristian/messages?msg=708.28 

 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/20/2003 12:28 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (36 of 45)  
 
  708.36 in reply to 708.34  
 
For the sake of accuracy, David, what does the BIBLE 
define as "one who is of the spirit of antichrist." 
? 


THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* THUS: Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * YOUR RESPONSE is the crucial issue in the sight of GOD. (it always has been) 




==================================

and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/20/2003 12:32 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (37 of 45)  
 
  708.37 in reply to 708.35  
 
Do you deny the existence of the Christian God: Yahweh? 
Do you deny that Jesus Christ, - the Son of the living GOD, 

Immanuel/Messiah has come in the flesh to redeem Mankind.? 

just simple answers. 

and there are definite conclusions to be drawn. 


Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{HE SEES every hidden motive of the heart} . . .AND IF YOU ARE NOT HIDDEN IN CHRIST, YOU ARE DAMNED ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. CHRIST HIMSELF said so.

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------


* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: -->Repentance,--> Forgiveness,---> Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love AND Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness: THE SAVED SOUL is a TRANSFORMED soul in a very real progession of sanctification. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/20/2003 7:33 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (38 of 45)  
 
  708.38 in reply to 708.37  
 
Hi Aria,

 

 

LenBen is right that we are associated with our companions and when we associate with the godless it doesnt make a good appearance.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/20/2003 4:40 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (39 of 45)  
 
  708.39 in reply to 708.37  
 
I've drawn some definite conclusions from this discussion. One is that judging people to be of the antiChrist is a poor way of gaining their friendship. 
  
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   From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/20/2003 4:51 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (40 of 45)  
 
  708.40 in reply to 708.38  
 
>LenBen is right that we are associated with our companions and when we associate with the godless it doesnt make a good appearance.< 
Logically speaking, what you're doing in posting to me is associating with the godless. It seems as if not doing so would rule out ever making any conversions. 

 
  
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To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (41 of 45)  
 
  708.41 in reply to 708.40  
 
Hi Arial,

 

Good points.

 

When you label yourself as part of a group you wear their identity and in this case Atheists are godless, that is their identity.

 

Yes, a conversion is necessary to become a Christian, however whether you have had one or not is not my determination.

 

It is not uncommon for people to come here and play devils advocate on a topic and then say they are a Christian.

 

I dont want you to think that Im pressing you for a conversion, I think that is a work of God and it is between you and God. 

 

I do always like people to post their thoughts on the forum though and you are doing that very well.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   10/21/2003 12:26 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (42 of 45)  
 
  708.42 in reply to 708.41  
 
I assure you I am not a Christian. I followed one or another promos in here and reacted to the title of the thread. I am an atheist, therefore as you rightfully say, I am a godless person. I feel it is a long stretch to go from that, as your friend has, to saying I am "of the antiChrist." 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/21/2003 2:06 am  
To:  Aria, the Spirit of the AntiChrist! (Arianhrod)   (43 of 45)  
 
  708.43 in reply to 708.37  
 
OK. let's try this again for the sake of accuracy and truth: 
From: LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (FRANKNSENSE) 
Oct-20 8:32 am 
To: Aria (ARIANHROD) 

Q: 
Do you deny the existence of the Christian God: Yahweh? 

Q: 
Do you deny that Jesus Christ, - the Son of the living GOD, 

Immanuel/Messiah has come in the flesh to redeem Mankind.? 

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just simple answers. 

and there are definite conclusions to be drawn, based upon 
simple truths in the Bible. 

thanks. 

Len 





* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ CHOICES.

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* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?




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and YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - they symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. THIS I declare to you in the authority of His Name and Word: you are EITHER {and WILL be either} one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully} 
 
  
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    10/21/2003 2:09 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (44 of 45)  
 
  708.44 in reply to 708.36  
 
From: LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (FRANKNSENSE) 
Oct-20 8:28 am 
To: David (DAVIDABROWN) 



**For the sake of accuracy, David,** what does the BIBLE 
define as "one who is of the spirit of antichrist." 
? 

- no "judgements" or judgementalism: just WHAT ARE THE 
BIBLE TRUTHS INVOLVED and what is the actual definition of 
one "the spirit of antichrist." ? 

thanks. 

Len 




THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

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Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

--> but the wise shall understand. <-- 


WHAT IS HAPPENING? ---> * Matthew 24:10-14 * * Luke 21:22, 31-36 * ** 2 Thess.2:3-12 ** ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * Revelation 22:10-15 * * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS ** Truth Triumphs Over All **

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


  
  
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